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Mel
Here is the text of Sid's interview in East-West Woman; scans are forthcoming (as soon as my copy gets here). Enjoy!

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East-West Man

Alexander Siddig:
Living Without Borders


By Amanda Broadfoot

“Prior to 9/11,” says actor Alexander Siddig, “I was happily going along, doing my own business and not too concerned about my ethnicity. I’m someone who didn’t even discover that I was Muslim until I was in my late-thirties.” The nephew of English movie star Malcolm McDowell, 39-year-old Siddig is probably best known for his seven-year stint as Dr. Julian Bashir on the popular TV series Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.

But that is changing. Siddig has appeared in such films as Kingdom of Heaven, alongside Orlando Bloom, as well as the forthcoming George Clooney feature Syriana. With those film credits to his name, as well as roles in A Dangerous Man: Lawrence After Arabia, Vertical Limit, and The Hamburg Cell, Siddig is increasingly becoming one of the most recognizable Arab faces on the big and small screen.

A Tale of Two Cultures
Born Siddig El Tahir El Fadil to an English mother and Sudanese father in the Sudan, Siddig – he goes by “Sid” – has felt the pull of eastern and western cultures his entire life. “Now,” he says of his acting career, “I see myself as a diplomat first and foremost; I see myself as someone who is an interlocutor between these two cultures.”

Sadiq Al Mahdi, Sid’s paternal uncle, ruled the Sudan in 1965 but was deposed, creating an untenable situation for his family. “Until fairly recently,” Siddig says, “it was pretty dangerous for me to go back there.” Even the hospital where Siddig was born was tear-gassed while his mother was giving birth. The increasing unrest prompted his mother to immigrate with her young son to England around 1969. There he enjoyed a privileged upbringing, far away from the political turmoil that would continue to rip apart the Sudan for decades.

Blessed with an infectious laugh and disarmingly English wry wit, Siddig speaks without bitterness of the racism he encountered in English private schools. “Kids, when they are racists to one another, aren’t full of the venom that adults are,” he says, commenting that the worst he encountered were epithets like “Paki,” which were more ignorant than hateful. “Maybe I had a particularly privileged or unusually cushy environment, but I never took major offense,” he says. “I just thought, ‘They’re also talking about the fat kid and the red-headed kid – whatever makes you stand out.’”

Role-playing
After a brief stint studying anthropology and geography at the University College of London, Siddig tried his hand at everything from bartending to insurance sales. The influence of his maternal uncle, Malcolm McDowell, eventually helped steer him towards the London Academy of Dramatic Arts and a career in acting.

Despite a couple of early roles as “baddies” in “Sinbad-type” children’s programs, Siddig says he never felt stereotyped. “I’ve got to be realistic,” he says. “I don’t look English, and I don’t look Midwest American. I’m not going to play someone with Dutch ancestry or a white American. But then, most actors can’t be many things, even if they’re the most average-looking, white, blue-eyed blonde guy. There are a million jobs they can’t do as well.”

After struggling as the unpaid director of a small local theater, Siddig received a breakthrough role as Emir Feisal, in A Dangerous Man: Lawrence After Arabia, a televised sequel to Lawrence of Arabia, co-starring Ralph Fiennes. Siddig’s subtle but powerful performance as the complicated king caught the eye of Star Trek executive producer Rick Berman who was, in 1991, casting a brand new television series of his own, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.

A Long Trek
“The timing was a wonderful opportunity,” Siddig says of his experience on Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. “I was a young man, and it was really terrific, like winning the lottery.” The premise of the show placed an eclectic group of explorers, soldiers, and yes, aliens, aboard a station on the “frontier” of known space. He played affable Julian Bashir, a genetically enhanced Starfleet doctor, for seven years, and directed several episodes of the series as well.

While filming the series, Siddig and co-star Nana Visitor fell in love and married, and in 1996 had a son, Django El Tahir El Siddig. Between the third and fourth seasons of the show, Siddig – who was still going by “Siddig El Fadil” – changed his name to “Alexander Siddig,” a name he felt more accurately reflected his merged cultural heritage.

“It was something my mother always wanted,” he says, “to name me something that was both English and Sudanese.” He admits that the name is certainly also easier for western casting agents and directors to remember. “I considered naming myself ‘uh,’” he laughs, “because people would recognize me and say, ‘Let’s see. You’re uh, uh . . .’”

A Turning Point
His run with Star Trek ended in 1999, and Siddig says that the separation from the cast, with whom he had spent the better part of his career, was an almost traumatic one. Like any actor on a long-running TV series, he wondered whether he would continue to work.

“Sometimes,” he jokes, “I still wonder if I’ll ever completely escape Star Trek.” More seriously, he goes on, “I have lost jobs because of it. But then again, I lose jobs for many different reasons. As far as typecasting is concerned, that’s my problem. If I can act well enough, I’ll get the jobs.”

But as difficult as that transition was, 2001 was even more challenging for Siddig. He and Visitor divorced, and then on September 11, the world turned upside down. “9/11 was a wake-up call for me,” he says. “Other people’s perceptions dragged me into the politics of it all.” For the first time in his life, he was stopped and searched on the streets. “And that’s totally cool,” he says. “I completely understand why that happens in sensitive parts of London.”

Most importantly, Siddig began a spiritual journey that he believes is still ongoing. “I didn’t know that I was Muslim by default because my father was Muslim. I’d read books – religion, philosophy, psychology – and those two small wires never connected in my brain. And then it dawned on me that I was.”

Making a Difference
Siddig needn’t have worried about his career. Almost immediately, he found himself cast in a controversial episode of the English TV series Spooks, as well as landing a role in the Matthew McConaughey – Christian Bale sci-fi film Reign of Fire.

And his Star Trek fans – a predominantly female group – have certainly never abandoned Siddig, following his career and forming SidCity.net to share information about their favorite actor. Siddig is proud of the fundraising his fans have done in his honor to benefit Doctors Without Borders’ work in the Sudan.

The Shape of Things to Come
If his role as actor is also that of diplomat, then his next feature will allow him to participate in one of the most ambitious feats of soft diplomacy yet. Syriana, starring George Clooney, and loosely based on See No Evil, the memoir of former CIA operative Robert Baer, is a story of “petrol politics,” says Siddig.

“That’s a scary phrase,” he admits. “The classic American corporate hegemony right now is in the process of extracting as much oil out of the Middle East as possible. And this film explores how terrible that can be for the Middle East. It’s a message to the Middle East, to at least let them know that there are Americans who know what’s happening.”

Syriana has already finished filming, and Siddig is preparing for his next project – an installment in popular 1930s detective series Poirot. After that, he will join Colin Firth on the set of a “sword and sandals” epic titled The Last Legion, before hopefully joining his uncle, Malcolm McDowell, on a film noir project this fall, in which he plays “a psychotic Moroccan cop.”

But politics is practically impossible to escape these days, especially for an Arab Muslim living in London. Siddig is quiet, and there is no hint of laughter in his voice when he speaks: “It’s becoming a pandemic, I’m afraid to say. I’m really not quite sure where to look with regard to this. It’s such a tiny, tiny minority of people with an axe to grind, and I guess they’ve been kind of ‘conned’ by this message. And now it’s as though the planet has collided in some bizarre way – the most horrifying of the West meets the most horrifying of the East.”

It seems fitting then, that Siddig played Imad, General Saladin’s right-hand man, in Kingdom of Heaven. “He was also an urger of peace to Saladin,” says Siddig. “I found that role so attractive. It’s really me that I’m expressing. Above anything else, I am a product of twin cultures. If I can bring them together, if I can do anything to help, then that is wonderful.”
Marie
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before hopefully joining his uncle, Malcolm McDowell, on a film noir project this fall, in which he plays “a psychotic Moroccan cop.”


This sounds interesting. Do we have anymore details, like is this a go?
Mel
As far as I know, the project with Malcolm is still in development. It sounds like a nifty little film, though. I hope it ends up getting made. I mean, Sid as a "psychotic Moroccon cop"? Who wouldn't want to see THAT? biggrin.gif
ulli
Thank you for sharing that! smile.gif

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I mean, Sid as a "psychotic Moroccon cop"? Who wouldn't want to see THAT?


laugh.gif laugh.gif (Sounds interesting. dry.gif )

Ulli
mrsjack
Psychotic Moroccan cop, huh? sad.gif Sounds bloody. IPB Image
SlinkyJ
I would really love to see him in that role.
Mel
I'm surprised no one has picked up on the mention the author gave Sid City. I was tickled pink when I first saw it. lol.gif

You know, this is one of the most thoughtful and relevant interviews we've ever had from Sid. I think he revealed more about himself in this piece than in anything else I've read (save for Gayle's biography).
POTHOS
Hi Mel.

What I noticed from reading the article (still waiting for the magazine to arrive) was that how proud Sid seems to be of the collective efforts of the members over the years.

Also intersting to read his thoughts regarding his background and how this strange new world we live in is impacting his daily life.

By the way the film noir sounds interesting to say the least.

All the best

Jude
Violet_Baudelaire
QUOTE(Mel @ Oct 21 2005, 10:20 AM) [snapback]145[/snapback]

I'm surprised no one has picked up on the mention the author gave Sid City. I was tickled pink when I first saw it. lol.gif

I started jumping up and down screaming,"I finally made it into a magazine article with Sid!!!!!!"
LanyBug5
(Mel @ Oct 19 2005, 08:01 AM) [snapback]111[/snapback]

Here is the text of Sid's interview in East-West Woman; scans are forthcoming (as soon as my copy gets here). Enjoy!


I enjoyed this article. It's one that I haven't had the pleasure to read before. Thanks for sharing. I'm glad he's keeping busy. Every project sounds exciting and worthwhile. But what else can we expect?

Lany
Amanda
It's too bad Sid has to go through the trouble of being searched and scrutinized, even though he is half white-caucasian. If you really look at him, especially when he has no facial hair(like in Star Trek), he resembles his white uncle Malcolm McDowell. It's the shape of his face really, especially the forehead. Try watching the movie Star Trek: Generations which Mr. McDowell stars in, and you'll see the resemblance.
TOC
even though he is half white-caucasian

It's a small matter, but Sid is 100% Caucasian. Caucasoid: one of the major groups of mankind that includes the native peoples of Europe, North Africa, the Near East, India, etc.

When I was in elementary school, my science book showed a bearded Arab man as an example of a Caucasian. I thought that was odd. Why not the more typical blue-eyed Scandinavian? Now I know better. The Arab IS the typical Caucasian. Caucasians in India may have black skin and Northern Europe is simply the opposite end of the spectrum.

Sid considers himself bi-racial, but from a scientific perspective, he is not. Of course, science has nothing to do with racial prejudice! Caucasians have killed millions of other Caucasians for belonging to an inferior race!

On the subject of being searched, I was physically searched three times when attempting to fly from Minneapolis to Philadelphia a few years ago. The first one had to do with a small, sharp object in my purse and the next two happened because my original flight was cancelled and from then on I lacked a seat assignment and was therefore considered a terrorist risk. I only mention this to point out that non-whites are not the only ones inconvenienced by airport security stupidity.

Carol
HollyKim
(TOC @ Jan 7 2006, 01:42 PM) [snapback]1878[/snapback]

It's a small matter, but Sid is 100% Caucasian. Caucasoid: one of the major groups of mankind that includes the native peoples of Europe, North Africa, the Near East, India, etc.

When I was in elementary school, my science book showed a bearded Arab man as an example of a Caucasian. I thought that was odd. Why not the more typical blue-eyed Scandinavian? Now I know better. The Arab IS the typical Caucasian. Caucasians in India may have black skin and Northern Europe is simply the opposite end of the spectrum.

Sid considers himself bi-racial, but from a scientific perspective, he is not. Of course, science has nothing to do with racial prejudice! Caucasians have killed millions of other Caucasians for belonging to an inferior race!

On the subject of being searched, I was physically searched three times when attempting to fly from Minneapolis to Philadelphia a few years ago. The first one had to do with a small, sharp object in my purse and the next two happened because my original flight was cancelled and from then on I lacked a seat assignment and was therefore considered a terrorist risk. I only mention this to point out that non-whites are not the only ones inconvenienced by airport security stupidity.

Carol


I can remember a Time article a few years back that said it is impossible to group people by simple physical characterestics. Each time you do it for one simple thing- widith of nose, eye shape, skin tone, etc- you get a changing group. Each group of people would pop up in multiple "races".
Sancha
(HollyKim @ Jan 7 2006, 08:43 AM) [snapback]1881[/snapback]

I can remember a Time article a few years back that said it is impossible to group people by simple physical characterestics. Each time you do it for one simple thing- widith of nose, eye shape, skin tone, etc- you get a changing group. Each group of people would pop up in multiple "races".

Yeah, isn't it sad, though, when really it's more a matter of good heart and bad heart, i.e., the good and the evil. And even then I'm sure there is a spectrum of degrees, if you know what I mean.

It struck me in Syriana, the two young men at the end who did the suicide bombing didn't at all seem fanatical. So how can a person really distinguish the "good" from the "bad"?

I know of a seventy-year-old Iranian grandmother who was travelling at Christmas time to visit family in another part of the U.S. (she lives in Washington State) just after 9/11. She was searched and searched and questioned, etc. (and her English wasn't all the adequate!) relentlessly. We all thought it was so ludicrous. But again, one never knows. Terrorist are known to use innocent people to do their heinous acts. Still terrorism is not simply a matter of ethnic or racial origin or descent, physical characteristics . . or even gender. And sadly religion is often behind it. The subway gassing in Japan about a decade ago was done by a group of religious extremists. It's all so sad.
LanyBug5
(Amanda @ Jan 6 2006, 10:39 PM) [snapback]1869[/snapback]

It's too bad Sid has to go through the trouble of being searched and scrutinized, even though he is half white-caucasian. If you really look at him, especially when he has no facial hair(like in Star Trek), he resembles his white uncle Malcolm McDowell. It's the shape of his face really, especially the forehead. Try watching the movie Star Trek: Generations which Mr. McDowell stars in, and you'll see the resemblance.


You know...I was thinking the same thing. About the resemblance to his uncle. I took note of that when I first started watching DS9. Gotta say though...I like the facial hair.

Lany
Sancha
(LanyBug5 @ Jan 7 2006, 01:38 PM) [snapback]1897[/snapback]

Gotta say though...I like the facial hair.
Lany


I don't know what it is, but I'm so attracted to men with facial hair. I wonder why that is . . . no, seriously.

My husband had a beard when we met and when he shaved it off for our wedding, I convinced him to grow it back (not that he's unattractive without it, mind you). He had it for many, many years. But Japan is not a society for facial hair---they think it's unclean (even if it's not)---so he hasn't had one since . . . too bad.

But Sid . . . he looks great with or without. I have to admit, though, that he looks more mature, more manly with one. And maybe that's because when he was doing DS9 he was younger.
Sancha
(Amanda @ Jan 7 2006, 12:39 AM) [snapback]1869[/snapback]

If you really look at him, especially when he has no facial hair(like in Star Trek), he resembles his white uncle Malcolm McDowell. It's the shape of his face really, especially the forehead. Try watching the movie Star Trek: Generations which Mr. McDowell stars in, and you'll see the resemblance.

I know an American gentleman of Scottish descent who has a close resemblance to Sid. I look at those more recent pics in the Gallery of Sid with the well-trimmed goatee and am so struck by the similiarity between these two men---the high forehead and especially the eyes (although the other man's jaw is more pronounced). It's almost creepy. Whenever I met him I feel like I'm looking at Sid---yikes! Although I must say that I've never seen the American without his goatee. (Perhaps in such case they don't look that much alike.)

Yes indeed, Sid is an excellent, beautiful mix! Often people whose parents are from different sides of the world are. There's something to be said about international, interracial marriage.
ulli
It's a small matter, but Sid is 100% Caucasian. Caucasoid: one of the major groups of mankind that includes the native peoples of Europe, North Africa, the Near East, India, etc.

When I was in elementary school, my science book showed a bearded Arab man as an example of a Caucasian. I thought that was odd. Why not the more typical blue-eyed Scandinavian? Now I know better. The Arab IS the typical Caucasian. Caucasians in India may have black skin and Northern Europe is simply the opposite end of the spectrum.


That's interesting because I always had the "caucasian mountains" in mind and thought that the people who live in that area (or have their origin there) belong to the group what we call Caucasian. I didn't know that includes also the whole of Europe. North Africa, yes, because they look similar.

Sid considers himself bi-racial, but from a scientific perspective, he is not.


Maybe he can do it if he considers himself as being of two different cultures.

Let me explain something: I'm currently reading "Clash of civilisations" by Samuel Huntington. You can agree or disagree with the man, his book is, nevertheless, interesting. The problem is that he speaks of "civilisations" and "culture". You can translate these two words in german with "Zivilisation" and "Kultur". The problem is the meaning. The guy who translated the whole book wrote that Huntington wanted it to be translated exactly that way but that wasn't always possible. The title for example is translated with "Fight of the cultures" (well, I guess, "fight" sounds better) If I'm talking about "culture" that includes for me language, the place/country where the person lives, traditions and also religion/ethics (and maybe the descandance of the parents). But maybe "civilisation" would be the better word. I'm still confused by this. For me "civilisation/Zivilisation" mostly describes only the people living in a certain area (without any specific religious/whatever background). Some time ago I posted in the "political forum" here and used the term "islamic culture". Someone corrected me and said that it was no culture but a religion only. I actually didn't understand the problem completely because for me the term "culture" included religion.
I'm doing a course at university about the book. It's very interesting because we have a very good teacher. We had a discussion about the thing that defines us most and speculated that it might be the language. Because from the moment you are almost grown up it is very difficult to hide your descendance when you are talking. You can learn a hundred different languages you will still keep a certain accent. It is easier to lose other parts of your background such as specific ethical oppinions (and of course you can move and leave the place of your birth). Our teacher comes from Poland originally but he has been living in Germany for about 16 years now. He told us that he moved back to Poland last year. He said he had no problems with the language but with certain "standard opinions"(in want for a better word) of his people. He thinks the only thing which tells other people where he is originally from is his accent.

So in that way, Sid is bi-racial (or "bi-cultural"). (his parents had a different cultural identity which would make him a mixture of both)
But then, it also depends on how youself see and feel about your descendance.

I can remember a Time article a few years back that said it is impossible to group people by simple physical characterestics. Each time you do it for one simple thing- widith of nose, eye shape, skin tone, etc- you get a changing group. Each group of people would pop up in multiple "races".


I think if you take a lot of "typical" characteristics you will get some certain groups. But I don't think it would be wise to pay too much attention to that.(not again) We differ physically because we live in different environments, while genetically we are all the same.
On the other hand it's nice to see we have develloped such a diversity of "races". If we were all the same - it would be so boring. (I don't consider wars in the name of whatever as "exiciting". There is lots of good stuff resulting from being more than your genes. smile.gif )

Ulli
Sancha
(ulli @ Jan 8 2006, 10:01 AM) [snapback]1914[/snapback]

I didn't know that includes also the whole of Europe. North Africa, yes, because they look similar.
Maybe he can do it if he considers himself as being of two different cultures.

Ulli

Yes. it includes a great deal of the world's population---the Near East (Assyrians), India, and the Hispanics of the Latin American countries because of their Spanish descendency. It's all so very fascinating.
TOC
So in that way, Sid is bi-racial (or "bi-cultural").

He was talking about white and non-white. He is from two different cultures certainly, but when he spoke of race, I had the impression what he really meant was color.

Carol
Amanda
(TOC @ Jan 7 2006, 08:42 AM) [snapback]1878[/snapback]

It's a small matter, but Sid is 100% Caucasian. Caucasoid: one of the major groups of mankind that includes the native peoples of Europe, North Africa, the Near East, India, etc.

When I was in elementary school, my science book showed a bearded Arab man as an example of a Caucasian. I thought that was odd. Why not the more typical blue-eyed Scandinavian? Now I know better. The Arab IS the typical Caucasian. Caucasians in India may have black skin and Northern Europe is simply the opposite end of the spectrum.


I did not know that. I always heard "caucasian" used solely to describe "white". pardon.gif
ulli
He was talking about white and non-white. He is from two different cultures certainly, but when he spoke of race, I had the impression what he really meant was color.


Oh...well, I was more writing about my own conclusion, anyway.
I always thought when someone is talking of being bi-racial it's about having parents from two different countries. (very simplified)
But when it's only about being "black" or "white" then he is definitely "bi-racial". smile.gif
I just thought there is more behind it than color.

Ulli
LanyBug5
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Oh...well, I was more writing about my own conclusion, anyway.
I always thought when someone is talking of being bi-racial it's about having parents from two different countries. (very simplified)
But when it's only about being "black" or "white" then he is definitely "bi-racial". smile.gif
I just thought there is more behind it than color.

Ulli


I will venture to add my limited knowledge here...I am black and my husband is white. We have five children. Even in 2006, we still get the question. Are your children "inter-racial", "bi-racial" or "mixed". (Personally, I greatly dislike the term "mixed") Filling out forms isn't the greatest fun either. Only recently did my family physician change their new patient forms adding a box for "inter-racial" with space to list "black/white" or "black/latino", ect. You would be surprised at how many people tell me that since I am "black", my children are considered "black". My oldest is blond with blue eyes. Actually, like her siblings, she likes being different. We are lucky to live in a place that doesn't make a big deal out of it.

I wonder how difficult it was for Sid growing up. I know he probably got the typical racist remarks. People assuming he was Pakistani, Iranian.... People tend to assume a lot, don't they?

Actually, I always thought the term "white" odd. Being "white" means you are inter-cultural, doesn't it? If you are white, you are part German, French, Irish, Scottish, Swedish or something. Your family had to come from somewhere. And chances that you are "pure" anything is slim to none. Everyone has a cultural blend, right?

Lany
TOC
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I wonder how difficult it was for Sid growing up.

Sid had a rough time his first couple years in English public boarding school. He was pretty miserable for a time. When he was around nine years old, he made a deliberate decision to embrace being British. There had been an internal battle during which he'd considered rejecting the society that created his tormentors and become proud of his outcast status. He managed instead to be accepted by his peers.

Carol

colibri23
Please read the following carefully. Do not take offense, this is only intended to enlighten and break down racial barriers.
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I always thought the term "white" odd.

I agree. personally I am of Mediterranean decent. And in those dumb forms we have to fill out, that isn't even an option. Those forms say either your white, non-hispanic; Hispanic; or non-white. The problem with this is, what if you're all of the above. I guess that's where the term "mixed" comes up. I have within my family, Hispanic, Italian, French, German, and perhaps even more down the line. I have a father who is dark skinned and his sister (with the same parents) is milky-white. Therefore, such terms really shouldn't apply.

I have heard that within our DNA are genetic codes which are dormant. Scientist don't know what they are for. In fact very little of our DNA is active. The active genes give us our physical features, but there are more in-active codes than active ones. It is speculated that those in-active genes contain the characteristics of many different cultures (traits that don't normally show up in your family.) This may help to explain why humans are so diverse in appearance. After all, scientifically, we all came out of the same place. (The oldest human remains were found in Africa.) This discovery leads me to believe we'll all eventually end up in the same "race." In a few hundred years, ( if mankind survives that long,) it would probably be impossible for anybody to be grouped into any specific category for so many people will share too many characteristics.(I hope for this.)

To be frank, people really shouldn't categorize anybody by race, ethnicity, or even where they are born. We are all born, we all live, and we all die! The truth is that, there is only one true "race", and that's the Human-Race.
* My apologies to anyone I may offend. *
* The stuff about DNA, comes from a series of live lectures about evolution, natural selection, and adaptation. I believe it was sponsored by USC, unsure.gif .
ulli
I don't think you offend anyone. Very interesting stuff. One of my favourite subjects in school was biology - but we only got so far as to (theoretically) cross long-winged-flies with short-winged-flies. lol.gif

Well, the part about the dormant genes makes sense since, of course, we have all the same origin.
I think more specifically the human origin is said to be in Ethiopia. Ever heard of "Lucy"? - our oldest "ancestor" who could walk on two legs. (Australo Pithecus 3 million years ago) But I think I'm a couple of years behind - maybe they have found something older by now.

Well, I would differentiate between certain cultural characteristics (traditions, religions etc.). Because I think a cultural diversity can make life so much richer.

BTW: I can't remember ever asked to fill out a form that asked for such physical characteristics. I don't think something like that is included in German medical forms. (I might be wrong - but I can't remember.)
Well, it doesn't make sense. It isn't important for the kind of medical treatment. I mean, a virus is a virus (the flue, whatever) - it doesn't make any differences.

Ulli
TOC
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it doesn't make any difference

Your medical history is the one place where race might actually have some relevance. There are some diseases that strike one race and not others. Multiple sclerosis strikes Caucasians almost exclusively, for example, and cycle cell anemia strikes African Americans. There's even an awful genetic disorder limited to people of Middle Eastern - usually Jewish - decent.

I would imagine people with ancestors from different continents like Sid or Tiger Woods are often healthier than people with a more limited gene pool.

Carol





ulli
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Multiple sclerosis strikes Caucasians almost exclusively, for example, and cycle cell anemia strikes African Americans.

I don't know about the first thing but aren't you immune against Malaria when suffering from cycle cell anemia? Well, I guess, it is logical that people with an close african origin have it. I think nature tried to invent a protection against a disease but what came out needs a bit of "fine-tuning". Meaning it's not the gene pool directly but more the environment you live or your close ancestors lived in. But well, of course, the environment influences evolution, so I guess you are right in some way.

But what I actually meant was that for "normal" diseases it isn't necessary to know which skin color you have.

Ulli
TOC
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But what I actually meant was that for "normal" diseases it isn't necessary to know which skin color you have.

True. But a doctor might have a legitimate reason for asking questions about race and ancestry while a landlord, employer, banker and so on would not.

Carol
tatterdemallion
Sickle-cell anemia is more prevalent in parts of the world where malaria is prevalent because of malaria. Malaria infected mosquitos transmit a parasite into the hosts bloodstream whenever they bite them. This parasite (plasmodium falciparum) needs healthy red blood cells in order to complete its cylce of maturation. This is where hemoglobin S comes in. (Hemoglobin S is "an altered form of hemoglobin that results from a point mutation in the gene that produces the hemoglobin beta chain"). If a person is homozygous SS then there is no sickle-cell gene expression; if they are homozygous ss then they suffer from full blown sickle-cell anemia and usually die very early (especially without treatment of any kind); those with heterozygous Ss express some of the traits of sickle-cell anemia but death doesn't come as early. People expressing Ss have sickled cells--meaning that some of their cells burst. This bursting of red blood cells means that the malaria parasite cannot fully mature inside the host. The host will be sick but usually not die. This means that people with Ss are more reproductively successful than those with SS or ss. SS die from malaria and ss die from full sickle-cell anemia.
Just Annie
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To be frank, people really shouldn't categorize anybody by race, ethnicity, or even where they are born. We are all born, we all live, and we all die! The truth is that, there is only one true "race", and that's the Human-Race.


I agree with all my heart. In fact, thirty years ago, when forms had even fewer answers available to check off, I began scratching out the races they offered and writing in "human". When they asked me what color I considered myself to be I would reply "peach." smile.gif I think Sid's warm skin tones are beautiful and, frankly I'm a bit jealous as I'm very pale and washed out looking at times. (Sigh! And can't tan in the sun due to medical reasons.)
TOC
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The truth is that, there is only one true "race", and that's the Human-Race.

Well, yes, but as a former teacher I can't imagine trying to teach history and never once mention race. How does one explain slavery in America without ever mentioning race? Even a totally bogus race like "Aryan" becomes a part of history once eight million people have been executed because they don't belong to it!

Do you really think there is no such thing as race? Do you believe the movie Crash was a fantasy?

No, the solution is not to pretend race doesn't exist. It is a part of who we are. It's racism that's the enemy -- not race. I have a book on my shelf by Michael Moore entitled Stupid White Men. If anyone ever tries to tell you that white people are smarter than others, just hand them Moore's book.

Carol
colibri23
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Well, yes, but as a former teacher I can't imagine trying to teach history and never once mention race. How does one explain slavery in America without ever mentioning race? Even a totally bogus race like "Aryan" becomes a part of history once eight million people have been executed because they don't belong to it!

Do you really think there is no such thing as race? Do you believe the movie Crash was a fantasy?

No, the solution is not to pretend race doesn't exist. It is a part of who we are. It's racism that's the enemy -- not race. I have a book on my shelf by Michael Moore entitled Stupid White Men. If anyone ever tries to tell you that white people are smarter than others, just hand them Moore's book.

Carol


I do not mean to pretend that race does not exist (and I definately know that racism does sad.gif .) I want to remind people that ultimately we are All Human. Our survival depends on how we treat each other and our world. By continuing to classify human beings into smaller units of people, we are actually dividing mankind.
I believe that race is only a part of what we are, because we made it a part of us. The facts still remain that we are all interconnected (the same species), and if we don't choose to remember that, we will ultimately destroy ourselves. sad.gif

I'm definatly going to read that book, sounds interesting. smile.gif


Now for a touch of philosophy:
There are no disputes that man all came from the same group of people (the origin doesn't matter just that we come from the same DNA gene pool.) We are also all human (all born on Earth.)
If both of the above statements are true... hmmm.gif
then perhaps we are also all bi-racial (and just don't know it.)
firebird
Ulli, I studied Clash of Civilisations in first year at university. We spent ages and ages dissecting the definitions of culture and civilisation. Like weeks. I can't remember the exact specifics, (wow, I am such a dedicated student) but I believe a civilisation is made up of similar cultures, and culture is defined by characteristics such as religion, social systems and beliefs and values. (I think! Please don't quote me on this). I don't know if that helps make any meanings clearer for you. But the book is fascinating. I recommend it for sure to anyone.
TOC
I was thinking about race and teaching and I remembered something I had to do when teaching fifth grade at Sgt. Bluff-Luton Elementary School in the early seventies. I had to keep attendance by race. Actually, it was a matter of counting how many days each Native American was in my classroom. For some reason (maybe an exemption from state property taxes or something of the sort), the Federal Government paid our school district for educating Native Americans. However, it wasn't enough simply to have them enrolled. They had to actually be in class. If they were out sick or truant, we didn't get paid.

They also paid us for educating the children who lived on the military base (again, probably a tax issue), but for some reason we got paid whether they were actually in school or not so I didn't have to add up the days they were in school.

Of course, this was a third of a century ago. Times have changed. But if you're wondering why a school would ask the race of a child, this is one reason.

Carol
ulli
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Ulli, I studied Clash of Civilisations in first year at university. We spent ages and ages dissecting the definitions of culture and civilisation. Like weeks. I can't remember the exact specifics, (wow, I am such a dedicated student) but I believe a civilisation is made up of similar cultures, and culture is defined by characteristics such as religion, social systems and beliefs and values. (I think! Please don't quote me on this). I don't know if that helps make any meanings clearer for you. But the book is fascinating. I recommend it for sure to anyone.

And I thought it was only a translation/language problem. *sigh*
But I like your definition, it makes sense.

The "human"/"race" thing: I think the word "race" only has a negative touch sometimes because of history and the word "racism". No one will disagree with the fact that we are all "human" but I don't see a problem to differentiate between certain cultural/physical (outward appearance) characteristics as long as you see them only as "different" and don't make the mistake to see one "race" as "superior" or "better".

Ulli
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